tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post8585095636397804153..comments2023-05-20T02:59:34.668-05:00Comments on No, You're Hyperbolic: Presidential Debate Open Threadjumcohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15753433888238396781noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-82956214696864166412008-10-08T23:04:00.000-05:002008-10-08T23:04:00.000-05:00One more thing: the routine reference to masculini...One more thing: the routine reference to masculinity ("stones;" "sissy") as the measure of policy choices is demeaning --to the user, most of all, but also to the debate in general. <BR/><BR/>I do not believe that Reagan, for instance, withdrew the Marines from Lebanon because he lacked "stones." Nor do I think that Truman was a "stud" because he went into, and Eisenhower a "sissy" because he Tony Waltershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883880092140808832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-41947227203744526872008-10-08T15:29:00.000-05:002008-10-08T15:29:00.000-05:001. If we could write a check for $5 billion to Ira...1. If we could write a check for $5 billion to Iran and get an ironclad protection against their developing nuclear weapons, I would urge that we write the check. I would write such a check to the next 50 or 100 countries, too, for such protection.<BR/><BR/>But that is not "at any cost;" $5 billion is "chump change."<BR/><BR/>2. I disagree with Obama's statement, as I disagree with him on Tony Waltershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883880092140808832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-19292748680757588072008-10-08T13:07:00.000-05:002008-10-08T13:07:00.000-05:00Didn't know.Didn't know.Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-78486382474393629592008-10-08T12:19:00.000-05:002008-10-08T12:19:00.000-05:00"Despite the offence Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has cause..."Despite the offence Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has caused to Jews around the world, his office recently donated money for Tehran's Jewish hospital."<BR/><BR/>The BBC Reports on <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm" REL="nofollow">Iran's Jewish Population.</A><BR/><BR/>The <A HREF="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0427/p01s03-wome.html?page=2" REL="nofollow">Christian Science Monitorjumcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15753433888238396781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-2530930910645923452008-10-08T11:45:00.000-05:002008-10-08T11:45:00.000-05:00How about a price of $5 billion?How about a price of $5 billion?Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-37649620234976848082008-10-08T11:43:00.000-05:002008-10-08T11:43:00.000-05:00"I think that Obama's stated policy of talking wit..."I think that Obama's stated policy of talking with these guys would be, if followed, a chance to learn more about these dynamics. We might be in a better position, after such talks, to determine whether bombing Iran would in fact be on the menu of appropriate responses."<BR/><BR/>Obama correctly says a nuclear Iran cannot be permitted to be, period, that it would be a "game changer," as he likesPericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-72486957165913319782008-10-08T11:41:00.000-05:002008-10-08T11:41:00.000-05:00"Recall that Iran (1) has Jewish members of its pa..."Recall that Iran (1) has Jewish members of its parliament . . . ." <BR/><BR/>I want to see that. Can you cite something? Iran expelled most of its Jews in 1948.Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-57319629957057624912008-10-08T11:38:00.000-05:002008-10-08T11:38:00.000-05:00So this is not a nuclear attack, just a "bomb...So this is not a nuclear attack, just a "bombing like the Israelis did." Do you think this will be effective, given what our crack intelligence agencies have told us about deeply-buried, hardened sites? Anyway, I am relieved that you don't propose to use nuclear weapons in a preventive measure.<BR/><BR/>I guess the question about Iran is, who is in charge? We can find discussion ofTony Waltershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883880092140808832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-31287183346634135312008-10-08T11:17:00.001-05:002008-10-08T11:17:00.001-05:00I dare you to say what you weakly imply: That you...I dare you to say what you weakly imply: That you make no moral or practical distinction between the threat of nuclear weapons possessed by Achmadinejad and the United States. If so, you live in a fantasy, a dangerous fantasy, too.Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-23503807813900707672008-10-08T11:17:00.000-05:002008-10-08T11:17:00.000-05:00I dare you to say what you weekly imply: That you...I dare you to say what you weekly imply: That you make no moral or practical distinction between the threat of nuclear weapons possessed by Achmadinejad and the United States. If so, you live in a fantasy, a dangerous fantasy, too.Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-31408032602272342632008-10-08T10:45:00.000-05:002008-10-08T10:45:00.000-05:00Pericles, To answer your question, Pakistan is suc...Pericles, <BR/><BR/>To answer your question, Pakistan is such a nation. As is, for that matter, India. These two nations, to the best of anyone's knowledge, only train their nuclear weapons upon one another. Is India not a strong enough ally to protect? Are the people of Pakistan not worthy of freedom from the fear of vaporization? <BR/><BR/>For that matter, the US was such a nation during jumcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15753433888238396781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-50776653962163910532008-10-08T10:38:00.000-05:002008-10-08T10:38:00.000-05:00Those are important questions, and I understand To...Those are important questions, and I understand Tony, too, to be asking them. But the thing about politics is that theory gets you only so far. Perhaps, even likely, we cannot announce a rule that will tell us in advance that this regime or that regime is entitled to have the bomb. But the reverse is not true. That inability to announce a rule applicable in all situations does not disqualify Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-76034525306522556042008-10-08T09:17:00.000-05:002008-10-08T09:17:00.000-05:00"When the blue world fades to black", Pericles, I ..."When the blue world fades to black", Pericles, I believe the blog has its first homegrown political expression (aphorism, adage – what would we call it?).<BR/><BR/>Moonbat (also "barking moonbat" and "moonbat crazy") is a term often used currently in U.S. politics as a political epithet referring to anyone that is believed to be liberal or on the left. "Wingnut" (or "right wing nut") is Nykilshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684639614717035794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-65305425515865737162008-10-08T07:34:00.000-05:002008-10-08T07:34:00.000-05:00>>>So, Pericles, tell me more about war w...>>>So, Pericles, tell me more about war with Iran. Do we invade? B-52s? or do we just nuke 'em? How many casualties do you foresee? How long a war? How expensive?<<<<BR/><BR/>This one is not about regime change, much less democracy building. Achmadinejad and the Mullah's can still have their theocracy. This is about a quick in-and-out bombing like the Israelis did withPericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-6987038973567628162008-10-08T00:39:00.000-05:002008-10-08T00:39:00.000-05:00So, Pericles, tell me more about war with Iran. Do...So, Pericles, tell me more about war with Iran. Do we invade? B-52s? or do we just nuke 'em? How many casualties do you foresee? How long a war? How expensive?<BR/><BR/>When we win, then what? What will we have won? Do we move in & take over? How long an occupation, and to what end? As long as it takes to take away their oil? <BR/><BR/>Or do we just leave these 70 million people sitting Tony Waltershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883880092140808832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-81897754443638752702008-10-07T22:39:00.000-05:002008-10-07T22:39:00.000-05:00I did not indicate any reliance, I simply quoted a...I did not indicate any reliance, I simply quoted a person who has identified with the conservative movement for the majority of his professional life.jumcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15753433888238396781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-60647121657212594022008-10-07T22:31:00.000-05:002008-10-07T22:31:00.000-05:00This from a guy who started the sick rumor that Sa...This from a guy who started the sick rumor that Sarah Palin is not the mother of the down baby. I'm not sayin' he's wrong, but do you actually read, and then rely on, this moonbat for supporting authority?Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-38394365294733000052008-10-07T22:25:00.000-05:002008-10-07T22:25:00.000-05:00Andrew Sullivan says:All I can say is that, simply...Andrew Sullivan says:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/live-blogging-n.html#more" REL="nofollow">All I can say is that, simply on terms of substance, clarity, empathy, style and authority, this has not just been an Obama victory. It has been a wipe-out.It has been about as big a wipe-out as I can remember in a presidential debate. It reminds me of thejumcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15753433888238396781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-12024259310390463202008-10-07T22:08:00.001-05:002008-10-07T22:08:00.001-05:00By the way, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one ...By the way, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one filing on the 15th.Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-37622509545788160432008-10-07T22:08:00.000-05:002008-10-07T22:08:00.000-05:00Yes, you heard that right.Yes, you heard that right.Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-16464223714249597372008-10-07T21:51:00.001-05:002008-10-07T21:51:00.001-05:00No offense, guys, but if these 27 comments are an ...No offense, guys, but if these 27 comments are an accurate reflection of what I missed, I'm glad I spent the time looking for that last deduction!<BR/><BR/>Did I hear Pericles recommending war with Iran? Is that part of "everything ..." or did I misconstrue the reference?<BR/><BR/>And I hope that there is an endless supply of pixels or whatever they are.Tony Waltershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883880092140808832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-25786309992141578272008-10-07T21:51:00.000-05:002008-10-07T21:51:00.000-05:00Can Madvedev launch a newkewlur tipped ICBM?Can Madvedev launch a newkewlur tipped ICBM?Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-59987650609498770482008-10-07T21:41:00.000-05:002008-10-07T21:41:00.000-05:00Putin as prime minister from '99.Putin as prime minister from <A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1549452/Boris-Yeltsin-Timeline.html" REL="nofollow">'99</A>.jumcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15753433888238396781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-56025056102806862152008-10-07T21:34:00.000-05:002008-10-07T21:34:00.000-05:00Ditto, for McCain.Ditto, for McCain.Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-862751130582500985.post-74530994217104789492008-10-07T21:32:00.000-05:002008-10-07T21:32:00.000-05:00Does anyone seriously think that was an answer?Does anyone seriously think that was an answer?Pericleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945738688567266186noreply@blogger.com